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Originally Posted by loubnaniTO

I believe in Justice and in Karma... not sure about the last part though. The right will always win in the end? which end? and which right? and isnt it that everytime a "right" wins another "wrong" is born?
Karma is very effective, but karma is relative. What is "right" for us, is wrong for others, and what's right for them is wrong for us. And if each side truly and genuinly believes that they're right, then karmas clash. We call them Zionist evil, they call us terrorists... I live in north america, and i tell you, they believe it with every breath of their lives.

Hala2 we can argue that each side knows it is right, but truth and rightesnous and not variable, they are a constant, just because israel believes they are right does not make them so, the fact remains that they live on stolen land, nothing can change that.

we certainly disagree here Not because I might be from another religion, but we disagree in our view of religion and "scriptures". I will respect yours, and I'm sure you respect mine. PERSONALLY, i don't believe in scriptures or "divine" wars or written destinies. I believe in the will of the people and their... karma . Scriptures and religions do help in that they lift up the moral and remove the fear associated with the loss/death in a war. In my (PERSONAL) view, the great victory of 2006 was not Divine, it was the fruit of the strong will of the fighters, their strong belief in their cause, and the strength and intelligence of the leadership. Ghandi's victory over the British (with no arms) wasn't with the help of God, but the strong belief of Indians in their rights.

Your views are respected, I also do not believe in written destinies either, this world is built on free will, I do not want to go into a religious discourse but scriptures do not know the future because we are pre destined, its because God lives outside the realm of time which he created. I'll leave it at that, this is totally a different topic.

I dont disagree with you here... but it's interesting you mention "neighbour". HA and Hamas' ideology is that Israel should be eliminated. I like what you said here better.

Ok just to end this long post, and so that i don't come across as being negative. I am not. I am actually very proud of what the resistance has achieved. But i am realistic, and although during wartime it is ok to push the "elimination" agenda as a strategy, but at some point we should be realistic and consider that, if (by karma) the moderates prevail in Israel, we should push a mode moderate agenda and consider a compromise solution that could be acceptable to all.

I may have to clarify my position.

Israel as a jewsish entity is not my neighbour, and I do not see it as a lasting entity, it will go into the dustbins of history. WHat I mean by a good neighbour is the total abolition of the idea of a jewsish homeland for jewish people, and live in this region as neighbours, at one with the Palestinians, with equal rights to both sides in a totally secular state.

Cheers....