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Originally Posted by TripolySunni  No no no, we want all jews to stay in Palestine regardless of 1 or 2 states. But the Language that you speak right now is not the same one that The Israeli governments speak. |
The government speaks the language of those who chose it. when those who chose it are ignorant of possibilities, how can there be an alternative?
but this goes both ways - all of those who take a stance to make a stand in the israeli-palestinian conflict, don't make this stand. Not KSA, not Iran, not lebanon, not syria, not israel and not hamas.
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Originally Posted by TripolySunni The israeli government is the one commiting the massacres and Building the illegal settlements In the remaining palestinian territories and calling themselves Jewsih state and Having thier PM talking about kicking all arabs out of Israel a few weeks ago. The jews who are with peace and a One state solution are the ones you usually do not see on TV, they are the ones Protesting against Sabra and Shatilla massacres until today They are the Ones rebuilding palestinain homes bulldozed by the Israeli Gov which refuses to let the Palestinian Properly Vote Or have a building permit nor grant others the right of return And yet many israeli zionists say that the palestinians were not kicked out of palestine and that they left Voluntarly! i dont really understand this argument because if this was the case then what consivable reasons could the israelies have for deniying them the RIGHT of RETURN !!!
(logically if u leave voluntarly then you could return at anytime) While any Jew anywhere in the world (vienna, london, newyork) has a legally enshrined right to go and live in palestine even if they had never been there before or thier great great great great grandfathers HAVE never been there !!! |
you're actually mistaken a bit here. many of the leftist israelis are just as anti-arab as the rightwingers. for them, commemorating the nakba is some sort of yuppie self-righteousness act. they nonetheless look down on arabs and on mizrachi jews alike.
war is war, peace is peace. should you be surprised of the things that are done as part of a strategic and tactical war?
but again, this IS a double-edged sword. an application of the right of return is bound to make life hell for everyone here - it seems like those who push it don't pause for a moment to consider it, and refuse a declaratory compromise because it's uncomfortable for them, even if justified in some cases, like the lebanese case.
btw, about half of israel is mizrachi jews, who have no place to go back to, basically.
moreover, perhaps if you look from our angle about how it feels when someone claims that jews in arab countries left willingly to come and dispossess palestinians, when it is a known fact that many of them weren't zionists at all, at least not in the classical/stereotypical sense (and my grandfather probably never will be, too)
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Originally Posted by TripolySunni Since 1948 (when history started for u) israel has had this Policy Of Dis-possetion and still continues until this very day!!! AND the result is that israel has demolished 500 entire palestinian villages inside what became Known as israel. |
that part about history starting in 1948 was told with cynicism. infact, certain events of years prior to 1948 are of very much interest to me, and so should they to you, for example the farhud. will you recognize our disaster if we recognize yours?
(further reading, farhud:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud)