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Originally Posted by ArabJew  actually, you're bursting into an open door. when my grandfather came here after he fled iraq in 1950, he quickly found friends among Israeli arabs, and not coincidentally, some sense of joint fate as well. he personally strove to make justice as much as his job allowed him to, so that others won't suffer the fate that he did. I acknowledge most palestinians as brothers, if they agree to acknowledge me as same.
but even such recognition is not enough to have a joint fate again. for that to happen, we must agree on a viable framework to share our fate. and it's something that we can't do. neither zionism, nor islamism, nor pan-arabism offers that. what does offer that is lebanese-style confessionalism. but (A) that has never been on the agenda. no palestinian group has ever offered that. it surely isn't on hamas' agenda, which considers israel/palestine dar-al-islam (B) the lebanese model, with better starting conditions, did not deliver. if we try and fail, the resultant civil war would make the lebanese civil war together with all its horrors and futile bloodshed, look like a kindergarden brawl. imagine the war, with scores more tanks, airplanes and (probably) some nukes added.
Let's please agree that prior to the nakba, there was still enough chance to have it both ways, even with Jewish immigration.
Again, i ask - if peace in lebanon was not managed to be maintained for long, what makes you think this will work in palestine/israel/joint state?
and furthermore - if we're going for the peaceful option, what's the big issue with the origin of those jews who want to stay and partake in building a joint society? they're already more arabized than you think, btw. |
No no no, we want all jews to stay in Palestine regardless of 1 or 2 states. But the Language that you speak right now is not the same one that The Israeli governments speak. The israeli government is the one commiting the massacres and Building the illegal settlements In the remaining palestinian territories and calling themselves Jewsih state and Having thier PM talking about kicking all arabs out of Israel a few weeks ago. The jews who are with peace and a One state solution are the ones you usually do not see on TV, they are the ones Protesting against Sabra and Shatilla massacres until today They are the Ones rebuilding palestinain homes bulldozed by the Israeli Gov which refuses to let the Palestinian Properly Vote Or have a building permit nor grant others the right of return And yet many israeli zionists say that the palestinians were not kicked out of palestine and that they left Voluntarly! i dont really understand this argument because if this was the case then what consivable reasons could the israelies have for deniying them the RIGHT of RETURN !!!
(logically if u leave voluntarly then you could return at anytime) While any Jew anywhere in the world (vienna, london, newyork) has a legally enshrined right to go and live in palestine even if they had never been there before or thier great great great great grandfathers HAVE never been there !!!
Since 1948 (when history started for u) israel has had this Policy Of Dis-possetion and still continues until this very day!!! AND the result is that israel has demolished 500 entire palestinian villages inside what became Known as israel.