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Originally Posted by TripolySunni  As for the Jews I believe that it was the right of the Jews to seek a safe haven and not be exterminated by those racist murderous Europeans and it was their right to seek self-determination BUT not at the expense of another people and not by policies of dis-possetion AND Israelis should understand that they will never become a normal nation unless they admit this and that the exiled Jews and Palestinians have to share the same fate. |
actually, you're bursting into an open door. when my grandfather came here after he fled iraq in 1950, he quickly found friends among Israeli arabs, and not coincidentally, some sense of joint fate as well. he personally strove to make justice as much as his job allowed him to, so that others won't suffer the fate that he did. I acknowledge most palestinians as brothers, if they agree to acknowledge me as same.
but even such recognition is not enough to have a joint fate again. for that to happen, we must agree on a viable framework to share our fate. and it's something that we can't do. neither zionism, nor islamism, nor pan-arabism offers that. what does offer that is lebanese-style confessionalism. but (A) that has never been on the agenda. no palestinian group has ever offered that. it surely isn't on hamas' agenda, which considers israel/palestine dar-al-islam (B) the lebanese model, with better starting conditions, did not deliver. if we try and fail, the resultant civil war would make the lebanese civil war together with all its horrors and futile bloodshed, look like a kindergarden brawl. imagine the war, with scores more tanks, airplanes and (probably) some nukes added.
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Originally Posted by TripolySunni History for me started in the 1920s and not 48 with the Western jewish moving into palestinian lands and Letters between many western politicians regarding the fate of the middle-east...ect.ect.ect... |
Let's please agree that prior to the nakba, there was still enough chance to have it both ways, even with Jewish immigration.
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Originally Posted by TripolySunni As for the Jewsih Arab which is Scared of being thrown in the ocean or anywhere else I say YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE WE WANT YOU TO STAY THERE. After all the most peaceful solution remains as the one state solution in this tiny piece of territory in which every person Jew, Muslim and Christian would live as equals with one vote each and would each have the same rights THAT IS THE MOST PEACEFUL SOLUTION BUT NOT THE ONLY ONE. |
Again, i ask - if peace in lebanon was not managed to be maintained for long, what makes you think this will work in palestine/israel/joint state?
and furthermore - if we're going for the peaceful option, what's the big issue with the origin of those jews who want to stay and partake in building a joint society? they're already more arabized than you think, btw.