[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by chafic

Vego, disagreeing is one thing I do not mind at all, that's what discussion is about. But straw mans (and other intended fallacies) is something I do not cherish. As I made it clear quite many times already, I'm not trying to convince you of the info, and I'm not asserting that it's necessarily true, but I was simply noting the source of a member's post's.

I will do the same with my comments about KSA. deal?

No, I was serious. There simply is no significant difference, in terms of militiahood and violence, on your scales, between FM and FPM.

I beg to differ. FM is well armed, yet its members are not well trained. As well, FM finances many paramilitary groups in the North and South as well (Afwaj Trablous, Jund el Cham, 3osbat el Ansar, etc...)

Yes, for a fight to last 2 days, Hezbollah must have been fighting itself. Noo7 Zaayter could have lasted longer in the fight, or the dudes in my village with their hunting rifles.

It doesn't matter whether the FM militiamen lasted long or not. What matters is that they were able to keep firing for 2 whole days. That's a lot of ammo. Not to forget what was confiscated in some of its offices.
As for the dudes in ur village being able to stand against HA fighters for more than 2 days, I seriously doubt.

No, but how do they prove that FM is a militia?

Afwaj Trablous is linked to which party?
Saad Hariri, by just one signature, being able to end an entire month of clashes means what exactly?

Freedom of speech includes all. FM did not show any attitude of violence or repression toward someone who has different opinions.

Not violence or repression but refusal to accept freedom of speech for others. remember the Chaoul manifesto? And can we forget that each time GMA verbally criticizes someone he is labeled as attacking freedom of speech whilst others are free to bash him day and night without a single reproach?
And what about the lawsuits raised by FPM against Shira3 and others? why do they keep on getting postponed while one single attack from Wahhab on Hariri pushed the courts to force him to pay damages?
As for repression, well The Information Branch of the ISf, ring a bell? Did u forget about the incident where 2 FPM activists (who were former bodyguards of GMA in 2005) were arrested by the ISF with no "mouzakkarat taw2if" for 2 days without their parents knowing their whereabouts only to be released later after the involvement of the LA?

I'm not sure why this should be a subject of discussion either; FM is clearly a secular party.

Pretty obvious...

How could you support Hezbollah then? A clerical thecratic party?

What has that got to do with what I wrote before?

So again, do you have any proofs?

Check my first reply in this post.