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Originally Posted by maroon1  I'm a Muslim and as I know Muslims believe in destiny, so this means that Muslims don't believe in free will.
Personally, I don't believe in free will for scientific reasons, not for religious reasons.
I believe that free will is just a human illusion, I think that all our decision and choices which we make are based on the genetic effects and the effects of the environments around us.
I will give example, if you throw a dice many people think that result will be random but thats not true because if we can measure all the forces acting on the dice (including air resistance and the position when we thrown the dice), we will know the result of it when we throw it.
The same thing for humans, if we can know all the causes that affects us we will able to know what we will do
My english is not so good so I don't how to explain this, but I believe that all physical matters (including humans and living things) have its future already predetermined |
Ahhhh! Let me try to apply the dice analogy to real life.
What you're trying to say is that life....is completely predetermined and decided by "forces" [be they gravitational, spiritual, social or otherwise]...
...but as in the dice example, what we thought was luck, are actually immeasurable forces to the average human being...
therefore "fate" is a summary of immeasurable wide range of "forces."
I hope I've helped put your idea across.
Thats an EXTREMLY interesting way of explaining fate.
Would kind of coincide with my view on fate...which is that in life its a combination of both.
Any one action will have a series of following actions if unhindered by external forces. THAT is what we call "fate" , I believe. Whenever there is an external force that affects THIS particular series...it moves it off course...to another "line"...and the series then proceeds linearly again [although on a different course now.
In life, however, we have an almost unlimited number of external forces knocking our "linear fate" all over the place like a pinball. And THIS is what makes it seem "random" and seemingly not serendipitous. [THAT is where our inability to calculate these forces enter the theory].
In the end we are all going in one direction due to time. I dont mean one thin linear axis [like the X-AXIS] but i mean a general direction like the X direction. So as much as our life is pinballed around..time still takes it forward. Much like the tilted table of a pinball machine..but without inserting a small predetermined hole where the ball goes into. Its more like an infinite number of holes in line waiting for your ball to go into.
My last addition would be that within these incalculable uncontrolable forces there are a few we CAN control....or we at least can narrow to 5 or 6 from an infinite number of forces at anyone incident and let fate decide which of these 5 or 6 we're gonna hit [instead of the uncontrolable infinite possibilities].
THAT... would makes sense of the fact that we DO make decisions daily.
Pinball Theory. going to copyright that.
